“[T]here is a clear definition of what makes an individual a criminal and Stephen Harper is not one at this time.”
-Keep it real, dawg.
Despite investigations by the RCMP and Elections Canada, Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have not been convicted of any crimes, yet. You want successful and ethical politicians. You can’t get more successful than a politician who avoids charges after offering “financial considerations” to an MP, reduces food inspections right before a major food quality scandal, and whose party breaks election campaign finance laws to bilk taxpayers out of close to $1M. It takes a lot of talent and connections to do all that.
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Zach Bell | 06-Sep-08 at 10:23 pm | Permalink
With all due respect Saskboy, you may have a good grip with Harper and co’ when it comes to reducing food inspections but to couple that with the listeriosis outbreak is disingenuous I think.
Having worked for Maple Leaf in the past on the sanitation crew, I can attest to how Maple leaf is frankly some what psychotically obsessed with bacteria control in their plants. You think you’ve see everything until a company inspector cordons off a large area of the floor, gets down on his hands and knees and starts searching for specs of meat. I am told by former colleagues that are still there that it’s gotten even worse over the past year or two.
If a maple leaf plant was the source of a listeriosis outbreak then the only thing that proves to me is that it can happen anywhere no matter what the precautions. In this case, you would be hard pressed to convince me that Harper’s conservatives had anything to do with it at all.
Without including a mention of how obsessively Maple Leaf approaches food inspection, you’re are omitting something significant here.
Saskboy | 06-Sep-08 at 10:27 pm | Permalink
And now you’ve mentioned it, so I don’t have to :-)
Zach Bell | 06-Sep-08 at 10:35 pm | Permalink
Hahhaha. You’re a devious liberal Saskboy. Works for me. :P
Cheers
Travis | 07-Sep-08 at 9:58 am | Permalink
You are having a dishonest debate given being cleared by the RCMP who also investigated the Liberal party. If you have evidence that the Conservatives have broken a criminal law then report it instead of posting personal attacks on a blog.
Saskboy | 07-Sep-08 at 10:45 am | Permalink
Travis, the RCMP said it was already reported, and for an inexplicable reason they chose not to pursue charges against Harper who made and offer of “financial considerations” to an MP for his vote. It’s a bribe, clearly a crime in criminal law. You haven’t heard the tape? You don’t know that offering financial considerations to an MP for their vote is a crime? Join the RCMP.
Travis | 07-Sep-08 at 11:13 am | Permalink
The RCMP do not agree so you can continue the smear attempt on Harper but the justice system is on the side of Harper.
Saskboy | 07-Sep-08 at 12:16 pm | Permalink
It doesn’t matter if the RCMP agree or disagree with the law, it’s what is written in law that matters. The Justice system is not on the side of Harper, they are supposed to uphold the rule of law, not the Prime Minister above all else.
You say the RCMP don’t agree, but what about you? What do you think the tape means? Do you still feel confident that Harper is not above the law after he and his party have broken it so many times? I’m not talking about broken promises, I’m talking about broken laws.
Zach Bell | 07-Sep-08 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
Travis, just because an institution of authority did not charge some one, this does mean the some one in question is not a criminal of sorts.
Come come now Travis, you’re perching yourself on the same ideological soap box you accuse Saskboy of standing on.
Travis | 07-Sep-08 at 3:22 pm | Permalink
It is the RCMP that investigate if a law has been broken and they investigated and closed the case. The Justice system believes in innocent until guilty and thats how our society is run. The same went for Liberals during adscam and the same kind of accusations being made towards any individual who was part of the Liberal Party. Either we believe in innocent until proven guilty or we don’t.
Zach Bell | 07-Sep-08 at 3:44 pm | Permalink
Mmmm, yes Travis. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. There is provable guilt in this case. The RCMP did not charge anyone, but the guilt was proven.
Saskboy | 07-Sep-08 at 3:45 pm | Permalink
Travis, officially you’re correct, Harper hasn’t been convicted of a crime. In theory Robert Mugabe is innocent of crimes in his country too; he’s not been convicted. There’s a little thing called the rule of law though in a democracy, and when the police and political leaders fail to uphold it, it’s up to citizens to cry foul and point out blatant injustice.
What did you think of the tape saying Harper made an offer of financial considerations to Cadman? How was it not evidence of a crime in your view?
Travis | 08-Sep-08 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
Zach, guilt was not proven which is why the RCMP closed the case. I agree, it is up to citizens to raise issues if they see injustices happening but at the same time the RCMP are the ones who spent the time to go through all of the evidence that most likely was not completely avaliable to the public and came to the conclusion nothing was done wrong. What I think about the results of the justice system do not matter as I do not have full access to the evidence that the RCMP did in making their decisions.
Saskboy | 08-Sep-08 at 7:34 pm | Permalink
Travis, there’s a difference between being no proven guilt (something the RCMP does not do anyway) and being innocent. They said there was not enough evidence for charges (which is strange because all they need is that audio tape).