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	<title>Comments on: Florida: Where 15 + 11 Months = 16 Years</title>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148259</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saskboy is right on, on every count.  A 22/23 year old who gets entangled with a 15 or 16 year old is the one who is asking for it.  Period.  There are some things that a mature, aware and responsible person just would not touch with a ten foot pole.  The hypersexualization of young girls by the media should make that cautionary tale doubly important.  The girl is a sicko who has been led to believe that the putting out is a means of obtaining the love she longs for.  At 15 or 16, she's too stupid and naive to know otherwise.  If the man has been stung by this encounter, let that be a lesson to him.  From here on, maybe he will act like an adult instead of a selfish doofus.  If the girl is still behaving the same way when she gets to be 22 or 23, maybe she's incapable of learning any lessons, but not at 15, especially because of the hypersexualization of girls.  If she comes to her senses, on the other hand, maybe she can work to clean up the media's portrayal of teen sexuality so girls will not be targeted with the "slutty is cool" message and 20 something men will understand that young teens are off limits, no matter how they behave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saskboy is right on, on every count.  A 22/23 year old who gets entangled with a 15 or 16 year old is the one who is asking for it.  Period.  There are some things that a mature, aware and responsible person just would not touch with a ten foot pole.  The hypersexualization of young girls by the media should make that cautionary tale doubly important.  The girl is a sicko who has been led to believe that the putting out is a means of obtaining the love she longs for.  At 15 or 16, she&#8217;s too stupid and naive to know otherwise.  If the man has been stung by this encounter, let that be a lesson to him.  From here on, maybe he will act like an adult instead of a selfish doofus.  If the girl is still behaving the same way when she gets to be 22 or 23, maybe she&#8217;s incapable of learning any lessons, but not at 15, especially because of the hypersexualization of girls.  If she comes to her senses, on the other hand, maybe she can work to clean up the media&#8217;s portrayal of teen sexuality so girls will not be targeted with the &#8220;slutty is cool&#8221; message and 20 something men will understand that young teens are off limits, no matter how they behave.</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148128</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for making an attempt at explaining your opinion. I still don't agree, because how do you know the 23 year old didn't ruin her life already by the simple act of having a sexual relationship with her? Whether she ruins his in this case or not seems completely dependent upon his mistake/crime, and it's hard to feel much sympathy for him. Why are you empathizing only with him, and not her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making an attempt at explaining your opinion. I still don&#8217;t agree, because how do you know the 23 year old didn&#8217;t ruin her life already by the simple act of having a sexual relationship with her? Whether she ruins his in this case or not seems completely dependent upon his mistake/crime, and it&#8217;s hard to feel much sympathy for him. Why are you empathizing only with him, and not her?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148125</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen the court filings, and by her own admission the sexual interactions between them were 100% consensual. She states that most of the times she was under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol, but that is NOT an excuse. At no point did this guy force her to drink or do drugs. At no point did the guy "slip a mickey" into one of her drinks. She was fully aware of what she was doing, and entered into it with knowledge of the situation (Per her admission that even with the occasion of the first sexual encounter, she demanded the guy wear a condom).

My problem in this situation is not the moral issue. We all know that a 23 year old man has experience enough to be able to take advantage of a situation such as a drunken teen girl, and should have had the foresight to stay away from her. My problem is that this girl is now doing everything she can to ruin this guys life simply because he broke up with her (She also admits to filing a report against him initially because he broke up with her, prior to the rape charge).

If any of you have seen the video she posted on YouTube, you will notice that she makes claim to living in poverty not once, but several times. How in the world does that play into anything? It makes me think she is out for money, or her family is. That, along with her own admission of what happened during her relationship with the accused, calls EVERYTHING she says, or has said, into question.

Finally, the question of statutory rape. I'm sorry, but if she was capable of demanding a condom while under the extreme influence of drugs and alcohol, she must have been well educated in the ideas of what sex could result in. Because of this, it would appear to me she made an educated decision, and THAT should be what the law is based on. So many of our laws and judgements are determined by knowledge of the event in question, ability to know wrong from right. She obviously was capable of making the decision. Statutory rape laws should be changed to reflect the following statement:

"If the alleged victim is proven to be competent enough to make a decision regarding a sexual act, then the act shall be deemed consensual, except in the case of gross misconduct."

That would protect BOTH sides. But, thats my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the court filings, and by her own admission the sexual interactions between them were 100% consensual. She states that most of the times she was under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol, but that is NOT an excuse. At no point did this guy force her to drink or do drugs. At no point did the guy &#8220;slip a mickey&#8221; into one of her drinks. She was fully aware of what she was doing, and entered into it with knowledge of the situation (Per her admission that even with the occasion of the first sexual encounter, she demanded the guy wear a condom).</p>
<p>My problem in this situation is not the moral issue. We all know that a 23 year old man has experience enough to be able to take advantage of a situation such as a drunken teen girl, and should have had the foresight to stay away from her. My problem is that this girl is now doing everything she can to ruin this guys life simply because he broke up with her (She also admits to filing a report against him initially because he broke up with her, prior to the rape charge).</p>
<p>If any of you have seen the video she posted on YouTube, you will notice that she makes claim to living in poverty not once, but several times. How in the world does that play into anything? It makes me think she is out for money, or her family is. That, along with her own admission of what happened during her relationship with the accused, calls EVERYTHING she says, or has said, into question.</p>
<p>Finally, the question of statutory rape. I&#8217;m sorry, but if she was capable of demanding a condom while under the extreme influence of drugs and alcohol, she must have been well educated in the ideas of what sex could result in. Because of this, it would appear to me she made an educated decision, and THAT should be what the law is based on. So many of our laws and judgements are determined by knowledge of the event in question, ability to know wrong from right. She obviously was capable of making the decision. Statutory rape laws should be changed to reflect the following statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;If the alleged victim is proven to be competent enough to make a decision regarding a sexual act, then the act shall be deemed consensual, except in the case of gross misconduct.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would protect BOTH sides. But, thats my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boba, when it comes down to the law, there aren't two sides, you're either 16 or you're not. It's possible to debate if the law should be changed, and it is debated in Canada, here, every year.

I have a feeling that your idea of rape, may not include date rape, and that's a problem. As you correctly pointed out, the 23 year old dude needs to do a lot of introspection as to what kind of person he is, and to learn from this. He took advantage of her, and now she's getting back at him the only way she knows how (since the justice system let her down).

You're putting a lot of blame on a statutory rape victim though, and that's a problem. "Slut" or not, women don't cause rape against women. He was supposed to be the adult, and she is a young adult. He took a chance, and she lost.

9/10 girls may be overly sexual in your opinion, but ask yourself why they are that way. Are you making things easier for them not to be, by discouraging corporations from using sexual advertising? Are you doing anything to reduce the problem other than blaming children for growing up how the media tells them they should be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boba, when it comes down to the law, there aren&#8217;t two sides, you&#8217;re either 16 or you&#8217;re not. It&#8217;s possible to debate if the law should be changed, and it is debated in Canada, here, every year.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that your idea of rape, may not include date rape, and that&#8217;s a problem. As you correctly pointed out, the 23 year old dude needs to do a lot of introspection as to what kind of person he is, and to learn from this. He took advantage of her, and now she&#8217;s getting back at him the only way she knows how (since the justice system let her down).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re putting a lot of blame on a statutory rape victim though, and that&#8217;s a problem. &#8220;Slut&#8221; or not, women don&#8217;t cause rape against women. He was supposed to be the adult, and she is a young adult. He took a chance, and she lost.</p>
<p>9/10 girls may be overly sexual in your opinion, but ask yourself why they are that way. Are you making things easier for them not to be, by discouraging corporations from using sexual advertising? Are you doing anything to reduce the problem other than blaming children for growing up how the media tells them they should be?</p>
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		<title>By: Boba Fett again</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148097</link>
		<dc:creator>Boba Fett again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not meaning to sound callous. But it would seem 1 in a million girls don't fall to societies lowering morals.

Besides. You have to admit the whole thing is screaming "slut"

Send em both to jail for being so damn stupid/immature.

I don't do political debates. The law is a bulls hit system. You have to take the world for what it really is. You're all practically arguing arguments that aren't yours.

Why am I even commenting on this. Because how I envision her is what I see in 9 out of 10 girls nowadays and I feel your arguements are too clouded by the law. Ok that IS the discussion at hand but come ON. Get real!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not meaning to sound callous. But it would seem 1 in a million girls don&#8217;t fall to societies lowering morals.</p>
<p>Besides. You have to admit the whole thing is screaming &#8220;slut&#8221;</p>
<p>Send em both to jail for being so damn stupid/immature.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t do political debates. The law is a bulls hit system. You have to take the world for what it really is. You&#8217;re all practically arguing arguments that aren&#8217;t yours.</p>
<p>Why am I even commenting on this. Because how I envision her is what I see in 9 out of 10 girls nowadays and I feel your arguements are too clouded by the law. Ok that IS the discussion at hand but come ON. Get real!!</p>
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		<title>By: Boba Fett</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148094</link>
		<dc:creator>Boba Fett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two sides to this argument. Accept that. 

Given society today. I'd say she's an Immature little girl taking things WAY too far. That's my opinion. None of us can debate reliable what happened as we don't know. It's all effectively speculation.

If it was indeed the conventional idea of rape. (in my eyes being, held down and pumped) Then it would have reached a higher level much sooner. The fact that 1 in 4 women under 25 say they're raped I think shows how a lot of it is most likely absolute tripe and by tripe I mean. The guy is likely to not deserve imprisonment. But this whole ordeal alone, the fact it's reached the internet should probably probe himself to think more about his actions. WTH is he doing with a 16yrold. Sort your life out, she wasn't worth the effort, was she?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two sides to this argument. Accept that. </p>
<p>Given society today. I&#8217;d say she&#8217;s an Immature little girl taking things WAY too far. That&#8217;s my opinion. None of us can debate reliable what happened as we don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s all effectively speculation.</p>
<p>If it was indeed the conventional idea of rape. (in my eyes being, held down and pumped) Then it would have reached a higher level much sooner. The fact that 1 in 4 women under 25 say they&#8217;re raped I think shows how a lot of it is most likely absolute tripe and by tripe I mean. The guy is likely to not deserve imprisonment. But this whole ordeal alone, the fact it&#8217;s reached the internet should probably probe himself to think more about his actions. WTH is he doing with a 16yrold. Sort your life out, she wasn&#8217;t worth the effort, was she?</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/05/15/florida-where-15-11-months-16-years/#comment-148077</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drat!!  (I'm using my son's laptop and I'm not used to the keyboard.) 

I was going to say that I don't know what Saskatchewan's law has to say about this, but I do know that in other jurisdictions the difference in age between the two parties has a big role to play in whether or not sex with a minor is considered rape.  If a 17 year old whose birthday was only last month has sex with a 15 year old who turns 16 next week, it cannot be considered rape.  But a gap of seven years makes a big difference in leveling responsibility when the "victim" is only 15.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drat!!  (I&#8217;m using my son&#8217;s laptop and I&#8217;m not used to the keyboard.) </p>
<p>I was going to say that I don&#8217;t know what Saskatchewan&#8217;s law has to say about this, but I do know that in other jurisdictions the difference in age between the two parties has a big role to play in whether or not sex with a minor is considered rape.  If a 17 year old whose birthday was only last month has sex with a 15 year old who turns 16 next week, it cannot be considered rape.  But a gap of seven years makes a big difference in leveling responsibility when the &#8220;victim&#8221; is only 15.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with Saskboy on this one. The issue is the difference in age between the he girl and the man.  There are lots of slutty 15 year old girls out there and they are almost always victims of child abuse, often sexual abuse.  A 22 year old who behaves as an adult should, wouldn't go anywhere near a 15 year old if he was really an adult in the full sense of the word. He needs a good ass kicking in the courts.  She needs some good family counselling. I'd be saying the same thing if the 15 year old was a boy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Saskboy on this one. The issue is the difference in age between the he girl and the man.  There are lots of slutty 15 year old girls out there and they are almost always victims of child abuse, often sexual abuse.  A 22 year old who behaves as an adult should, wouldn&#8217;t go anywhere near a 15 year old if he was really an adult in the full sense of the word. He needs a good ass kicking in the courts.  She needs some good family counselling. I&#8217;d be saying the same thing if the 15 year old was a boy.</p>
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