Comments on: Politics is Like Eggs, When You are Allergic http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/ News, Insights, and Humour Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:01:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121684 Saskboy Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:25:06 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121684 Ha, good tip Mark! I guess that Ottawa does change people (unless she had it earlier too and reports I read were flawed :-S) Ha, good tip Mark!
I guess that Ottawa does change people (unless she had it earlier too and reports I read were flawed :-S)

]]> By: Mark Taylor http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121683 Mark Taylor Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:23:46 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121683 To quote Ross: "i applaude ms. may for not needing (cell) phones" I wouldn't applaude too loud. She has a blackberry. I've got the address. To quote Ross:
“i applaude ms. may for not needing (cell) phones”

I wouldn’t applaude too loud. She has a blackberry. I’ve got the address.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121633 Saskboy Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:37:03 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121633 Fair enough. You're certainly right that the poorest people end up with cell phone instead of land lines (although I won't agree that it's only due to them being affordable). Fair enough. You’re certainly right that the poorest people end up with cell phone instead of land lines (although I won’t agree that it’s only due to them being affordable).

]]> By: Ross http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121605 Ross Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:49:23 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121605 lets agree to disagree on this, neither of us is going to completely sway the other and i have to prepare for the hockey draft i'm hosting tonight. lets agree to disagree on this, neither of us is going to completely sway the other and i have to prepare for the hockey draft i’m hosting tonight.

]]> By: Ross http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121604 Ross Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:47:43 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121604 i wasn't implying they are a requirement for every job, my job is one and there are others. i agree with you that people shouldn't be punished for not being able to afford these modern convieniences but instead of back pedaling we should be trying to make these things more affordable and more reliable so it is less likely it would be a major disruption if we did lose electricity or fuel. on a slight tangent, not all cells and plans are expensive. for lack of a better word right now, the 'poorest' people i know still have cell phones, and these people for all intents and purposes are the epitome of poverty but somehow they still have phones. i wasn’t implying they are a requirement for every job, my job is one and there are others. i agree with you that people shouldn’t be punished for not being able to afford these modern convieniences but instead of back pedaling we should be trying to make these things more affordable and more reliable so it is less likely it would be a major disruption if we did lose electricity or fuel.
on a slight tangent, not all cells and plans are expensive. for lack of a better word right now, the ‘poorest’ people i know still have cell phones, and these people for all intents and purposes are the epitome of poverty but somehow they still have phones.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121595 Saskboy Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:07:49 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121595 "besides all these FACTS, my employer REQUIRES i have a cell phone, no cell phone, no job, and my employer isn't the only one." But those are only facts about your job, and our society, not LIFE. As you say, it's possible to do those same things without one. I want a politician who understands that, and doesn't encourage punishment for people who can't afford cell phones, 4x4s, and modern conveniences. we've adapted most of our society to depend on these conveniences to the point where they are quasi-needs. That's why change is frightening to a lot of people, and why we're actually an instable country in a lot of ways, because we could be easily disrupted by even a week long shortage in electricity or fuel. “besides all these FACTS, my employer REQUIRES i have a cell phone, no cell phone, no job, and my employer isn’t the only one.”

But those are only facts about your job, and our society, not LIFE. As you say, it’s possible to do those same things without one. I want a politician who understands that, and doesn’t encourage punishment for people who can’t afford cell phones, 4×4s, and modern conveniences. we’ve adapted most of our society to depend on these conveniences to the point where they are quasi-needs. That’s why change is frightening to a lot of people, and why we’re actually an instable country in a lot of ways, because we could be easily disrupted by even a week long shortage in electricity or fuel.

]]> By: Ross http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121594 Ross Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:49:35 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121594 i too would rather have an elected official that knows rural and urban life, unfortunately most of canada doesn't agree simply because most canadians have lived their entire lives in large urban settings. i also believe my other statement about needing personal convienient transporation and communication to be true, human beings have always used the quickest and most convienient means of travel available to them. in the past, more people rode horses than mules, because horses were more agreeable and faster than mules, after the phone was invented, less people probably used the telegraph. now in the current setting, my occupation sometimes has me on call, however i don't know for certainty know when i will be on call. there are three times during the day when work assignments are made, if someone is first or second on call and they miss a call and don't return it within 15 minutes they are suspended for 24 hours. in the past i have been 8th or 9th in line and not lining up to work for more than a week, but two hours later so much has changed that i end up having to go to work in calgary that very same night. i also work on my dads farm, for me to do that i have to sometimes be in a truck, or tractor in a field, and the last time i checked the closest pay phone to our farm is over a half hour away, even if there was one closer my work has to get a hold of me and not the other way around. besides all these FACTS, my employer REQUIRES i have a cell phone, no cell phone, no job, and my employer isn't the only one. If there was a vehicle that had as much room, and was as fast as a conventional car or truck but was solar powered or operated on some form of alternate energy, and was affordable to buy i would buy it, but as far as i know that hasn't happened yet. i NEED a vehicle that can take not only me but my belongings, and/or other people, as well as four wheel or all wheel drive, and can stand up to saskatchewans degenerating highways. don't think i'm driving some huge gas guzzling suv or truck, i drive a suzuki sx4 and that little car is still too small. obviously your occupation and lifestyle doesn't force these things on you and i envy you because of it. however mine requires, quick convienient spacious transportation, and instantaneous communication with others. yes things haven't always worked this way, take away the cell phone and i would still be able to do my job, but i wouldn't be able to have a second income and would be confined to my home most days waiting for phone calls from work. i too would rather have an elected official that knows rural and urban life, unfortunately most of canada doesn’t agree simply because most canadians have lived their entire lives in large urban settings.

i also believe my other statement about needing personal convienient transporation and communication to be true, human beings have always used the quickest and most convienient means of travel available to them. in the past, more people rode horses than mules, because horses were more agreeable and faster than mules, after the phone was invented, less people probably used the telegraph. now in the current setting, my occupation sometimes has me on call, however i don’t know for certainty know when i will be on call. there are three times during the day when work assignments are made, if someone is first or second on call and they miss a call and don’t return it within 15 minutes they are suspended for 24 hours. in the past i have been 8th or 9th in line and not lining up to work for more than a week, but two hours later so much has changed that i end up having to go to work in calgary that very same night. i also work on my dads farm, for me to do that i have to sometimes be in a truck, or tractor in a field, and the last time i checked the closest pay phone to our farm is over a half hour away, even if there was one closer my work has to get a hold of me and not the other way around. besides all these FACTS, my employer REQUIRES i have a cell phone, no cell phone, no job, and my employer isn’t the only one.

If there was a vehicle that had as much room, and was as fast as a conventional car or truck but was solar powered or operated on some form of alternate energy, and was affordable to buy i would buy it, but as far as i know that hasn’t happened yet. i NEED a vehicle that can take not only me but my belongings, and/or other people, as well as four wheel or all wheel drive, and can stand up to saskatchewans degenerating highways. don’t think i’m driving some huge gas guzzling suv or truck, i drive a suzuki sx4 and that little car is still too small.

obviously your occupation and lifestyle doesn’t force these things on you and i envy you because of it. however mine requires, quick convienient spacious transportation, and instantaneous communication with others. yes things haven’t always worked this way, take away the cell phone and i would still be able to do my job, but i wouldn’t be able to have a second income and would be confined to my home most days waiting for phone calls from work.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121571 Saskboy Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:55:29 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2008/04/08/politics-is-like-eggs-when-you-are-allergic/#comment-121571 Sorry Ross, but this isn't true at all, at least not how you said it, "the simple fact is that convienient personal transportation and communications have been and always will be a necessity for a lot more people than those that don't need them". For that to be a fact, it would always have to have been true, and thus certainly couldn't mean that it's a necessity to have a cell phone or car. I know what you were trying to say, but my point is that what we've shaped our society into thinking of as convenient and normal, is part of what will ultimately destroy us and/or make us ill. When you take a specific circumstance a cell phone might look convenient. But if they didn't exist, we'd have more pay phones which are also convenient, and/or we'd have taken the extra seconds to notice a problem that needed fixing before we set out on a journey that left us stranded with no one to check on us. There'd be nothing wrong with a candidate who operates a bus or train, I'd be all for that. Even someone who operates a grader or a combine, are as good. But most Canadians would rather vote for a lawyer who knows rural life, and city commuting, than a lawyer who drives a BMW. == GFR, I think you're more right than Mercer. It's why democracy in Mexico brings out 200K people to a protest, and here it brings out 20. It's also why I'm predicting a Green Party government by 2025 == Emmosan, thanks for the tip. I meant of course that living near the Atlantic is the tie that binds the two ;-) Sorry Ross, but this isn’t true at all, at least not how you said it,
“the simple fact is that convienient personal transportation and communications have been and always will be a necessity for a lot more people than those that don’t need them”. For that to be a fact, it would always have to have been true, and thus certainly couldn’t mean that it’s a necessity to have a cell phone or car.

I know what you were trying to say, but my point is that what we’ve shaped our society into thinking of as convenient and normal, is part of what will ultimately destroy us and/or make us ill. When you take a specific circumstance a cell phone might look convenient. But if they didn’t exist, we’d have more pay phones which are also convenient, and/or we’d have taken the extra seconds to notice a problem that needed fixing before we set out on a journey that left us stranded with no one to check on us.

There’d be nothing wrong with a candidate who operates a bus or train, I’d be all for that. Even someone who operates a grader or a combine, are as good. But most Canadians would rather vote for a lawyer who knows rural life, and city commuting, than a lawyer who drives a BMW.

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GFR, I think you’re more right than Mercer. It’s why democracy in Mexico brings out 200K people to a protest, and here it brings out 20. It’s also why I’m predicting a Green Party government by 2025

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Emmosan, thanks for the tip. I meant of course that living near the Atlantic is the tie that binds the two ;-)

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