Comments on: Information Property - how to sell what you can’t see http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/ News, Insights, and Humour Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:52:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Scott Valentine http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-121937 Scott Valentine Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:01:52 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-121937 Are you familiar with the idea of copyleft? Are you familiar with the idea of copyleft?

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-119032 Saskboy Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:05:01 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-119032 The solution is the free market. Attempts to legislate who owns what ideas, just leaves eager innovators handcuffed. THEIR ideas die on the table or they have to work on work-arounds because some prior inventor won't play ball. And then there are things that should not even be granted patents or intellectual property rights, like GM seeds. No one interested in the survival of the world as we know it could claim terminator seeds, or ones with licenses, are a "good idea" that needs legal protection. The solution is the free market. Attempts to legislate who owns what ideas, just leaves eager innovators handcuffed. THEIR ideas die on the table or they have to work on work-arounds because some prior inventor won’t play ball.

And then there are things that should not even be granted patents or intellectual property rights, like GM seeds. No one interested in the survival of the world as we know it could claim terminator seeds, or ones with licenses, are a “good idea” that needs legal protection.

]]> By: Scott Valentine http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-119016 Scott Valentine Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:53:46 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-119016 So, if the solution isn't perfect, don't install the patch? Even if a fix in one place has measurably positive ripples in others? Fail to give innovators the rights to their own IP, and watch the commercialization of good ideas fail. 'Nuff said. So, if the solution isn’t perfect, don’t install the patch? Even if a fix in one place has measurably positive ripples in others?

Fail to give innovators the rights to their own IP, and watch the commercialization of good ideas fail.

‘Nuff said.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-118051 Saskboy Sun, 06 Apr 2008 00:08:25 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-118051 Interesting. How do you feel about Monsanto and the Percy S. case in Saskatchewan with the Roundup-Ready canola? The one where Monsanto's ownership of a seed design is thought to trump the rights of a farmer-landowner? It doesn't boil down to whether or not an inventor should have protection or not; of course they need some form of protection. It's about ensuring our laws don't become another club that big-business can use to hit independent inventors and small operation businessmen over the head with. I don't see a solution being presented by IP law fans that prevents bullying from NTP and Monsanto. The people government consider when writing a law about IP is not going to be Percy the farmer. It's going to be Monsanto with the lawyers and lobbyists. Interesting. How do you feel about Monsanto and the Percy S. case in Saskatchewan with the Roundup-Ready canola? The one where Monsanto’s ownership of a seed design is thought to trump the rights of a farmer-landowner?

It doesn’t boil down to whether or not an inventor should have protection or not; of course they need some form of protection. It’s about ensuring our laws don’t become another club that big-business can use to hit independent inventors and small operation businessmen over the head with. I don’t see a solution being presented by IP law fans that prevents bullying from NTP and Monsanto. The people government consider when writing a law about IP is not going to be Percy the farmer. It’s going to be Monsanto with the lawyers and lobbyists.

]]> By: Scott Valentine http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117840 Scott Valentine Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:30:46 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117840 Yes, but stay on track . . . suggesting that there is a valid argument against giving innovators a means to protecting their IP is akin to arguing that there is no reason to give farmers economic control of their own crops. It just isn't logical. Yes, but stay on track . . . suggesting that there is a valid argument against giving innovators a means to protecting their IP is akin to arguing that there is no reason to give farmers economic control of their own crops. It just isn’t logical.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117424 Saskboy Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:37:57 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117424 Interesting that you bring up RIM in a discussion about IP... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/16/rim_ntp_settle_lawsuit/ Interesting that you bring up RIM in a discussion about IP…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/16/rim_ntp_settle_lawsuit/

]]> By: Scott Valentine http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117412 Scott Valentine Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:59:15 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-117412 The simple answer to that one is that without clear IP protections Canadian innovators have little incentive to commercialize their research. Canada is a great research nation, but until we provide a clear path for taking that research to the global marketplace, the next insulin or the pacemaker or the next RIM is going to sit in moth balls, benefitting no-one. Scott The simple answer to that one is that without clear IP protections Canadian innovators have little incentive to commercialize their research.

Canada is a great research nation, but until we provide a clear path for taking that research to the global marketplace, the next insulin or the pacemaker or the next RIM is going to sit in moth balls, benefitting no-one.

Scott

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-116888 Saskboy Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:53:02 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/12/23/information-property-how-to-sell-what-you-cant-see/#comment-116888 RT, I'm saying I don't think it's right to give the descendants of inventors the IP rights forever to something that can be made by anyone in humanity. Scott, you're right it's not completely one sided -- you spoke to a good range of people [who have a vested interest in the IP industry taking off]. It's just that it's from the perspective that we need more laws to protect innovation, and doesn't cover the aspect of society that would prefer we provide fewer legal leg traps for innovators who use previously developed technology in their products. You told us why we would want IP protection, not also why we might <i>not</i>. RT, I’m saying I don’t think it’s right to give the descendants of inventors the IP rights forever to something that can be made by anyone in humanity.

Scott, you’re right it’s not completely one sided — you spoke to a good range of people [who have a vested interest in the IP industry taking off]. It’s just that it’s from the perspective that we need more laws to protect innovation, and doesn’t cover the aspect of society that would prefer we provide fewer legal leg traps for innovators who use previously developed technology in their products. You told us why we would want IP protection, not also why we might not.

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