Comments on: Male circumcision encouraged by WHO? http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/ News, Insights, and Humour Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:06:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: randy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-142863 randy Sat, 10 May 2008 08:50:58 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-142863 never never

]]> By: Buford Winfrey http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-123287 Buford Winfrey Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:30:05 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-123287 I am 72 years old and was circumcised 6 months ago. It has still not healed. Does anyone know anything about the healing time for older men? I am 72 years old and was circumcised 6 months
ago. It has still not healed. Does anyone know
anything about the healing time for older men?

]]> By: Tanya http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21153 Tanya Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:01:37 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21153 Yeah my ex and I battled over the circumcision thing. I said that if we have a boy there aint no way he is being cut over my dead body. He insisted that it was necessary. Luckily we had girls and found other things to fight about. Yeah my ex and I battled over the circumcision thing. I said that if we have a boy there aint no way he is being cut over my dead body. He insisted that it was necessary. Luckily we had girls and found other things to fight about.

]]> By: Amanda http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21135 Amanda Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:26:07 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21135 I'm staying out of this debate as much as possible, but I would like to point out that my HPV test was a negatory, yet I am still battling cervical cancer.... whereas HPV is the culprit in many cases, it is not responsible always. I am proof of this. As for the whole "god" thing... Jesus technically wiped out all those wack laws when he said "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets" and declared himself to be "the end of the law". The law he is ending is Mosaic Law, of which the circumcision issue is a part. Mosiac Law included not eating pork, etc etc. The sociologist in me has concluded that Mosaic Law was handed down because people of the time did not have the basic sanitary knowledge needed to keep pork edible or, obviously, keep their foreskin un-infected. So. Problem #1 with that argument: Jesus ended that Law a while ago now, and Problem #2: we now have the medical knowledge required to properly educate boys in hygiene. With ALL of that said, I left the issue up to my husband when it came to our two boys. I don't have the equipment. I’m staying out of this debate as much as possible, but I would like to point out that my HPV test was a negatory, yet I am still battling cervical cancer…. whereas HPV is the culprit in many cases, it is not responsible always. I am proof of this.

As for the whole “god” thing… Jesus technically wiped out all those wack laws when he said “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets” and declared himself to be “the end of the law”. The law he is ending is Mosaic Law, of which the circumcision issue is a part. Mosiac Law included not eating pork, etc etc. The sociologist in me has concluded that Mosaic Law was handed down because people of the time did not have the basic sanitary knowledge needed to keep pork edible or, obviously, keep their foreskin un-infected. So. Problem #1 with that argument: Jesus ended that Law a while ago now, and Problem #2: we now have the medical knowledge required to properly educate boys in hygiene.

With ALL of that said, I left the issue up to my husband when it came to our two boys. I don’t have the equipment.

]]> By: Adrian MacNair http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21134 Adrian MacNair Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:05:11 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21134 I'm not Jewish (obviously), and I was cut. Naturally, having grown up this way, I thought it was better, so when my son was born I ensured he was done within days of birth as well. I have no opinion either way since I don't focus on penises, but I've heard from several women that they like men who are cut. It isn't just an urban rumour that uncut men have various problems with cleanliness and odour. I’m not Jewish (obviously), and I was cut. Naturally, having grown up this way, I thought it was better, so when my son was born I ensured he was done within days of birth as well. I have no opinion either way since I don’t focus on penises, but I’ve heard from several women that they like men who are cut. It isn’t just an urban rumour that uncut men have various problems with cleanliness and odour.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21096 Saskboy Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:16:16 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21096 "Should I judge you by that the way you judge circumcised men? You don’t need this attitude of “I’m better than you because I am not circumcised.”" Not better, just different. And I'm not judging circumcised men, I'm judging the WHO for making a serious recommendation based on some pretty frivolous research, as Paul pointed out for instance. It's too late for men who are cut to go back, so why would I judge them -- it's just a part of who they are now, like anyone with scars. My logical mind tells me that if guys are told that they have a "harder time catching HIV" if they are circumcised, their human nature will take that to mean that they can get away with unprotected sex "just that one time". The WHO should be putting that promotion money into condoms and female empowerment like Artemis suggested. “Should I judge you by that the way you judge circumcised men? You don’t need this attitude of “I’m better than you because I am not circumcised.””

Not better, just different. And I’m not judging circumcised men, I’m judging the WHO for making a serious recommendation based on some pretty frivolous research, as Paul pointed out for instance. It’s too late for men who are cut to go back, so why would I judge them — it’s just a part of who they are now, like anyone with scars.

My logical mind tells me that if guys are told that they have a “harder time catching HIV” if they are circumcised, their human nature will take that to mean that they can get away with unprotected sex “just that one time”. The WHO should be putting that promotion money into condoms and female empowerment like Artemis suggested.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21094 Saskboy Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:11:07 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21094 "I can’t believe I am revealing my sluttitude to win an internet argument." And if this were My Space, and you were a guy, admitting to several partners would be something even virgins would say... on purpose... to increase status. Odd the double standard society creates, isn't it? Don't worry, What's said on Abandoned Stuff Friday Night Fight Night, stays on Abandoned Stuff :-D “I can’t believe I am revealing my sluttitude to win an internet argument.”

And if this were My Space, and you were a guy, admitting to several partners would be something even virgins would say… on purpose… to increase status. Odd the double standard society creates, isn’t it?

Don’t worry, What’s said on Abandoned Stuff Friday Night Fight Night, stays on Abandoned Stuff :-D

]]> By: Tanya http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21093 Tanya Sat, 31 Mar 2007 05:03:24 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/03/30/penis-cut-to-hiv/#comment-21093 I really get annoyed by the "women prefer circumcized penises" argument. This is as stupid as suggesting that because most men prefer large breasts all women should be required to get DD implants to placate their men. Having had a number of partners that were both circumcized and uncircumcized I can assure you that uncut men have a different sexual response. They "last" longer and require less lubrication. The extra skin contains a lot of nerve endings that improves a mans' sexual response. No genitalia should be mangled to conform to some misguided idea about what a penis should look like. I can't believe I am revealing my sluttitude to win an internet argument. I completely agree with you about female empowerment. It will be a lot easier for women in third-world countries to insist on condom use when things are more equal. I really get annoyed by the “women prefer circumcized penises” argument. This is as stupid as suggesting that because most men prefer large breasts all women should be required to get DD implants to placate their men.

Having had a number of partners that were both circumcized and uncircumcized I can assure you that uncut men have a different sexual response. They “last” longer and require less lubrication. The extra skin contains a lot of nerve endings that improves a mans’ sexual response. No genitalia should be mangled to conform to some misguided idea about what a penis should look like.

I can’t believe I am revealing my sluttitude to win an internet argument.

I completely agree with you about female empowerment. It will be a lot easier for women in third-world countries to insist on condom use when things are more equal.

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