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		<title>By: Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: May Calls For Strategic Voting? Or Does She?</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/31/ah-to-be-relevant-as-a-green-feels-good-but-needs-asbestos/#comment-260888</link>
		<dc:creator>Abandoned Stuff by Saskboy :: May Calls For Strategic Voting? Or Does She?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some Babblers just don&#8217;t care for someone who isn&#8217;t in love with the NDP and every thing they do. I guess I should have just summed up by saying that if Scott ever has something good to say about the Green Party, it will be when Stephen Harper invites Stephan Dion over for Christmas dinner at Stornoway. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some Babblers just don&#8217;t care for someone who isn&#8217;t in love with the NDP and every thing they do. I guess I should have just summed up by saying that if Scott ever has something good to say about the Green Party, it will be when Stephen Harper invites Stephan Dion over for Christmas dinner at Stornoway. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Jurist</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/31/ah-to-be-relevant-as-a-green-feels-good-but-needs-asbestos/#comment-15667</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jurist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of all the nights to work late. Ah well, let's keep this relatively short: just a couple more examples to see if we can't work out this distinction between "speculation", "speculation with suggested result" and "speculation being adopted as fact to promote result".

Speculation alone: "I wonder if Stephane Dion is really a separatist mole?"
Speculation with suggested result (like Shae): "If Stephane Dion turns out to be a separatist mole, then the Libs should remove him as party leader."
Adoption of speculation as fact in order to promote result (like Saskboy): "That's right! The Libs should remove Dion as leader!"

Speculation alone: "I wonder if the Greens will be at 1% in the polls by Canada's next election campaign?"
Speculation with consequence: "If the Greens are at 1% in the polls at election time, then they should be excluded from the leaders' debates."
Adoption of speculation as fact: "That's a good point! The Greens should indeed be excluded from the leaders' debates!"

Are we any closer to seeing the difference?
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Incidentally, I'll note that I certainly don't see most of Saskboy's posts as falling anywhere near this kind of category even when I don't agree with him. Any resemblance between Saskboy and Malkin is solely in the pattern of thinking as conveyed in the posts in question, not the general tone/accuracy/credibility of the respective blogs. 

And I'll readily grant Saskboy to be "pretty intelligent most of the time" as well. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all the nights to work late. Ah well, let&#8217;s keep this relatively short: just a couple more examples to see if we can&#8217;t work out this distinction between &#8220;speculation&#8221;, &#8220;speculation with suggested result&#8221; and &#8220;speculation being adopted as fact to promote result&#8221;.</p>
<p>Speculation alone: &#8220;I wonder if Stephane Dion is really a separatist mole?&#8221;<br />
Speculation with suggested result (like Shae): &#8220;If Stephane Dion turns out to be a separatist mole, then the Libs should remove him as party leader.&#8221;<br />
Adoption of speculation as fact in order to promote result (like Saskboy): &#8220;That&#8217;s right! The Libs should remove Dion as leader!&#8221;</p>
<p>Speculation alone: &#8220;I wonder if the Greens will be at 1% in the polls by Canada&#8217;s next election campaign?&#8221;<br />
Speculation with consequence: &#8220;If the Greens are at 1% in the polls at election time, then they should be excluded from the leaders&#8217; debates.&#8221;<br />
Adoption of speculation as fact: &#8220;That&#8217;s a good point! The Greens should indeed be excluded from the leaders&#8217; debates!&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we any closer to seeing the difference?<br />
&#8212;-<br />
Incidentally, I&#8217;ll note that I certainly don&#8217;t see most of Saskboy&#8217;s posts as falling anywhere near this kind of category even when I don&#8217;t agree with him. Any resemblance between Saskboy and Malkin is solely in the pattern of thinking as conveyed in the posts in question, not the general tone/accuracy/credibility of the respective blogs. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll readily grant Saskboy to be &#8220;pretty intelligent most of the time&#8221; as well. :)</p>
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		<title>By: CfSR</title>
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		<dc:creator>CfSR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some U of C prof wrote something about bloggers. :-P

I, however, don't pay much attention to U of C profs.

They gave us Rob Anders and Stephen Harper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some U of C prof wrote something about bloggers. :-P</p>
<p>I, however, don&#8217;t pay much attention to U of C profs.</p>
<p>They gave us Rob Anders and Stephen Harper.</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that's not it, what is my problem CfSR? :-D
Please tell me I need to know... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s not it, what is my problem CfSR? :-D<br />
Please tell me I need to know&#8230; ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: CfSR</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/31/ah-to-be-relevant-as-a-green-feels-good-but-needs-asbestos/#comment-15652</link>
		<dc:creator>CfSR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't worry about it.

You haven't lost your progressive card.  Giant Political Mouse still lists you on the Sask Progressive aggregator.  I just checked.

The problem lies in the fact that some New Democrats (generally the same ones who look like they are going to blow a head gasket when you reference the "NDP party") think NDP is the only Canadian synonym for progressive.

And that's not really your problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.</p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t lost your progressive card.  Giant Political Mouse still lists you on the Sask Progressive aggregator.  I just checked.</p>
<p>The problem lies in the fact that some New Democrats (generally the same ones who look like they are going to blow a head gasket when you reference the &#8220;NDP party&#8221;) think NDP is the only Canadian synonym for progressive.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s not really your problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olaf, you don't deny that I'm a logical mangler? :-O I'm shocked ;-)

I try not to mangle logic, but rather give my thought process when I arrive at a conclusion. That way if my logic is broken, someone can tell me where I went wrong. I don't really see why The Jurist thinks working from a likely, yet hypothetical outcome, is logic mangling when we're talking hypotheticals like future elections. It's not like I was justifying war in Iran because Tehran would look better with A&#038;Ws on every corner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olaf, you don&#8217;t deny that I&#8217;m a logical mangler? :-O I&#8217;m shocked ;-)</p>
<p>I try not to mangle logic, but rather give my thought process when I arrive at a conclusion. That way if my logic is broken, someone can tell me where I went wrong. I don&#8217;t really see why The Jurist thinks working from a likely, yet hypothetical outcome, is logic mangling when we&#8217;re talking hypotheticals like future elections. It&#8217;s not like I was justifying war in Iran because Tehran would look better with A&#038;Ws on every corner.</p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/31/ah-to-be-relevant-as-a-green-feels-good-but-needs-asbestos/#comment-15650</link>
		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB,

This was my favourite part:

&lt;i&gt;mangling of logical structure in the name of partisanship is indeed a rarity in Canada’s progressive blogosphere&lt;/i&gt;

As much as The Jurist would like to think otherwise, this type of behaviour is quite common throughout the blogosphere, and shockingly not just among conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB,</p>
<p>This was my favourite part:</p>
<p><i>mangling of logical structure in the name of partisanship is indeed a rarity in Canada’s progressive blogosphere</i></p>
<p>As much as The Jurist would like to think otherwise, this type of behaviour is quite common throughout the blogosphere, and shockingly not just among conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: JimBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whooee! The dippers is lookin' more'n'more despret but yer right as rain, Sasky. All o' the parties'll lose sum t' Lizzie May's bunch. I jest hope it's enuff t' get one or two Green MPs settin' in the House o' Comments.

Speakin' o' hypothetical outcomes, King Steve was jest speculatin' on what'd happen if we had us an electionvote right away. I s'pose Jack an' Steve mighta talked 'bout that when they wwas pow-wowin' on a compromised Clean Air Song'n'Dance Act.

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whooee! The dippers is lookin&#8217; more&#8217;n'more despret but yer right as rain, Sasky. All o&#8217; the parties&#8217;ll lose sum t&#8217; Lizzie May&#8217;s bunch. I jest hope it&#8217;s enuff t&#8217; get one or two Green MPs settin&#8217; in the House o&#8217; Comments.</p>
<p>Speakin&#8217; o&#8217; hypothetical outcomes, King Steve was jest speculatin&#8217; on what&#8217;d happen if we had us an electionvote right away. I s&#8217;pose Jack an&#8217; Steve mighta talked &#8217;bout that when they wwas pow-wowin&#8217; on a compromised Clean Air Song&#8217;n'Dance Act.</p>
<p>JB</p>
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