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	<title>Comments on: Canadians want the Green Party in Televised Debate</title>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/29/canadians-want-the-green-party-in-televised-debate/#comment-15589</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance I don't agree - I think there are some MPs who care, but have no clout - ie Garth Turner possibly, among others. T Keeper is an MP right, and as a celebrity she cares about the environment too ;-)

The Green Party wants to tackle all environmental problems, not just the ones on the public's radar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance I don&#8217;t agree - I think there are some MPs who care, but have no clout - ie Garth Turner possibly, among others. T Keeper is an MP right, and as a celebrity she cares about the environment too ;-)</p>
<p>The Green Party wants to tackle all environmental problems, not just the ones on the public&#8217;s radar.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CAA is hardly worthless. Granted it doesn't "attack" GHG like it does regular pollution, but no one wants to talk about real air, ground and water pollution.

Cheers,
lance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CAA is hardly worthless. Granted it doesn&#8217;t &#8220;attack&#8221; GHG like it does regular pollution, but no one wants to talk about real air, ground and water pollution.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
lance</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2007/01/29/canadians-want-the-green-party-in-televised-debate/#comment-15547</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB, I figured out that cookie thing for you, no problem.

Lance, the CAA is apparently worthless [although you'd expect Chernushenko to say so].
http://www.devonrowcliffe.ca/blog/?p=241

Why can't we use existing written laws, you know, instead of adding more that people will never have time to read anyway. Note that I don't count lawyers as people in this instance.

==
Miss C, quite right. We're lucky enough in Canada that the media smokescreen for the most part accepts that 4 isn't too many to have in a debate these days [at the federal not provincial level mind you {Nova Scotia's CBC blocking the Greens from the last provincial debate is a case in point}]. The US is stuck with a lame two parties. That's one thing I wish the movie Man of the Year could have changed, and that's showing Americans just how exciting a multi-party debate would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB, I figured out that cookie thing for you, no problem.</p>
<p>Lance, the CAA is apparently worthless [although you'd expect Chernushenko to say so].<br />
<a href="http://www.devonrowcliffe.ca/blog/?p=241" rel="nofollow">http://www.devonrowcliffe.ca/blog/?p=241</a></p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t we use existing written laws, you know, instead of adding more that people will never have time to read anyway. Note that I don&#8217;t count lawyers as people in this instance.</p>
<p>==<br />
Miss C, quite right. We&#8217;re lucky enough in Canada that the media smokescreen for the most part accepts that 4 isn&#8217;t too many to have in a debate these days [at the federal not provincial level mind you {Nova Scotia's CBC blocking the Greens from the last provincial debate is a case in point}]. The US is stuck with a lame two parties. That&#8217;s one thing I wish the movie Man of the Year could have changed, and that&#8217;s showing Americans just how exciting a multi-party debate would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Cellania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Cellania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as letting all the parties participate, I can tell you what the broadcasters are thinking. "If we let a third party in, then we will have to let any party in, and that could get ridiculous." Which is a ridiculous argument in itself, because there are ways to draw a line. If a party has enough support to make a little noise, then it has enough support. Broadcasters are doing the CYA there, because they are always trying to avoid accusations of bias, and they are also trying to make it easier on themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as letting all the parties participate, I can tell you what the broadcasters are thinking. &#8220;If we let a third party in, then we will have to let any party in, and that could get ridiculous.&#8221; Which is a ridiculous argument in itself, because there are ways to draw a line. If a party has enough support to make a little noise, then it has enough support. Broadcasters are doing the CYA there, because they are always trying to avoid accusations of bias, and they are also trying to make it easier on themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By legs, I mean election issue. If everyone looks the same, there is nothing to differentiate, therefore the campaign issues fall back down to the regular old stuff.

After a year or so of yelling back and forth over whether we make Kyoto, don't make Kyoto; listening to the daily news casts about another storm where there have always been storms;  I just can't see Cdn's wanting to go there anymore.

"Sellin’ any green plan made by the former climate change deniers is gonna be a tuff nut t’ crack, sez I."

Which is why it's now in committee. :) The Government is now taking responsibility, not any particular party. It will be hard for any party to slam something that passed committee that their members were involved in.

The parties are all working to eliminate this issue. I find it a little bit funny.

Cheers,
lance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By legs, I mean election issue. If everyone looks the same, there is nothing to differentiate, therefore the campaign issues fall back down to the regular old stuff.</p>
<p>After a year or so of yelling back and forth over whether we make Kyoto, don&#8217;t make Kyoto; listening to the daily news casts about another storm where there have always been storms;  I just can&#8217;t see Cdn&#8217;s wanting to go there anymore.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sellin’ any green plan made by the former climate change deniers is gonna be a tuff nut t’ crack, sez I.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is why it&#8217;s now in committee. :) The Government is now taking responsibility, not any particular party. It will be hard for any party to slam something that passed committee that their members were involved in.</p>
<p>The parties are all working to eliminate this issue. I find it a little bit funny.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
lance</p>
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		<title>By: JimBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They are doing it on purpose to remove the wedge issue."

Smart enuff. Removin' a wedge issue by adoptin' yer opponent's stance looks contrived, though, sorta flip-floppy an' blowin' whichever way the 'pinion pools say.  

The big thing you an' I disagree on, LanceFeller, is whether the environment file's got legs. There's a lot of us with a gut-gnawin' feelin' we're lettin' down our grandkids an' the bad news keeps on comin'. The GHG/globall warmin'/climate change debate's over an' Canajuns is lookin' t' see action.

It might be like yer sayin' an' CAA'll satisfy enuff voters. That'd mean Jack Laydown would o' had t' play ball with Harpoon. I ain't sure if that'd be a plus or a minus fer JackyBoy.

T' my way o' thinkin', a compromise CAA without gettin' back on Kyoto ain't gonna pass muster fer most real green thinkers. Sellin' any green plan made by the former climate change deniers is gonna be a tuff nut t' crack, sez I.

If the green file's got legs an' the issue itself ain't a wedge issue, then it boils down t' "who you gonna trust?". Right now, I don't trust any of 'em 'cept the Greens when it comes t' Mother Earth. I'll be waitin' t' see how hard the bigass parties try t' win over the 8% who sez they're GPC backers.

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They are doing it on purpose to remove the wedge issue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Smart enuff. Removin&#8217; a wedge issue by adoptin&#8217; yer opponent&#8217;s stance looks contrived, though, sorta flip-floppy an&#8217; blowin&#8217; whichever way the &#8216;pinion pools say.  </p>
<p>The big thing you an&#8217; I disagree on, LanceFeller, is whether the environment file&#8217;s got legs. There&#8217;s a lot of us with a gut-gnawin&#8217; feelin&#8217; we&#8217;re lettin&#8217; down our grandkids an&#8217; the bad news keeps on comin&#8217;. The GHG/globall warmin&#8217;/climate change debate&#8217;s over an&#8217; Canajuns is lookin&#8217; t&#8217; see action.</p>
<p>It might be like yer sayin&#8217; an&#8217; CAA&#8217;ll satisfy enuff voters. That&#8217;d mean Jack Laydown would o&#8217; had t&#8217; play ball with Harpoon. I ain&#8217;t sure if that&#8217;d be a plus or a minus fer JackyBoy.</p>
<p>T&#8217; my way o&#8217; thinkin&#8217;, a compromise CAA without gettin&#8217; back on Kyoto ain&#8217;t gonna pass muster fer most real green thinkers. Sellin&#8217; any green plan made by the former climate change deniers is gonna be a tuff nut t&#8217; crack, sez I.</p>
<p>If the green file&#8217;s got legs an&#8217; the issue itself ain&#8217;t a wedge issue, then it boils down t&#8217; &#8220;who you gonna trust?&#8221;. Right now, I don&#8217;t trust any of &#8216;em &#8216;cept the Greens when it comes t&#8217; Mother Earth. I&#8217;ll be waitin&#8217; t&#8217; see how hard the bigass parties try t&#8217; win over the 8% who sez they&#8217;re GPC backers.</p>
<p>JB</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to disagree with, "jest ’bout everybuddy" on this though.

I think the Clean Air Committee is going to put enough meat on the Act that it'll push the issue off. I mean, lets face it, the only thing the CAA is missing is CO2 stuff with stronger targets. Everything else is in there regarding boring old regular pollution.

I don't believe that the environment file has the legs to last past the summer, it isn't a wedge issue. Chantal Hébert said it best on CBC's The National last night, "It's only a wedge issue if there is a difference." 

The CPC won't allow them to be seen as different, that's why everyone is accusing them of looking like Liberals. &lt;em&gt;They are doing it on purpose to remove the wedge issue.&lt;/em&gt;

Cheers,
lance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to disagree with, &#8220;jest ’bout everybuddy&#8221; on this though.</p>
<p>I think the Clean Air Committee is going to put enough meat on the Act that it&#8217;ll push the issue off. I mean, lets face it, the only thing the CAA is missing is CO2 stuff with stronger targets. Everything else is in there regarding boring old regular pollution.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that the environment file has the legs to last past the summer, it isn&#8217;t a wedge issue. Chantal Hébert said it best on CBC&#8217;s The National last night, &#8220;It&#8217;s only a wedge issue if there is a difference.&#8221; </p>
<p>The CPC won&#8217;t allow them to be seen as different, that&#8217;s why everyone is accusing them of looking like Liberals. <em>They are doing it on purpose to remove the wedge issue.</em></p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
lance</p>
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		<title>By: JimBobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whooee! LanceFeller, when you sed  "Layton loses as long as environment is on the table."  -- you sed a mouthful. Thing is... jest 'bout everybuddy sez Mother Earth IS gonna be the bigass issue. Our Green Party ties health care in tight with clean air an' water an' I see the other parties is startin' t' do the same. Even if the folks start focussin' on health, green issues'll play a big part.

The onliest thing that can help Jack now is if -- God forbid -- we take a shitkickin' in Afstan an' lotsa Canajuns die. Afghanistan's the onliest topic that can jump t' the top o' the heap in days, sez I.

With them ads an' the playground antics in the House yesterday, it's lookin' more'n'more like anuther electionvote comin' up that nobuddy wants. Did I mention that the Green Party wants fixed dates fer electionvotes?

JB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whooee! LanceFeller, when you sed  &#8220;Layton loses as long as environment is on the table.&#8221;  &#8212; you sed a mouthful. Thing is&#8230; jest &#8217;bout everybuddy sez Mother Earth IS gonna be the bigass issue. Our Green Party ties health care in tight with clean air an&#8217; water an&#8217; I see the other parties is startin&#8217; t&#8217; do the same. Even if the folks start focussin&#8217; on health, green issues&#8217;ll play a big part.</p>
<p>The onliest thing that can help Jack now is if &#8212; God forbid &#8212; we take a shitkickin&#8217; in Afstan an&#8217; lotsa Canajuns die. Afghanistan&#8217;s the onliest topic that can jump t&#8217; the top o&#8217; the heap in days, sez I.</p>
<p>With them ads an&#8217; the playground antics in the House yesterday, it&#8217;s lookin&#8217; more&#8217;n'more like anuther electionvote comin&#8217; up that nobuddy wants. Did I mention that the Green Party wants fixed dates fer electionvotes?</p>
<p>JB</p>
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