Jimmy doesn’t understand the consequences of war.
The war against Islamic Fundamentalist can’t be won by trying to win hearts and minds. It can be won by killing every S.O.B. big enough to die. The areas that support these terrorist, should be warned and then bombed back into , well you know the phrase. I do not believe the people in the United States will stand for that kind of brutality. If not we are left with a high probability of losing both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Fundamentalists don’t live forever, but their children and grandchildren can be won over. They can’t be won over by us if we kill their parents though, and we could never kill them all as Jimmy seems to think. It only takes 19 radicals to unleash death upon Americans so severe that they give up their right to Haebeus Corpus and invade the wrong country in retaliation.
How about we focus humanity’s collective effort on wiping out disease, and let religious-political movements die out through civil wars, and revolutions?
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Adrian MacNair | 08-Nov-06 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
Well, there are two trains of thought.
1. Winning hearts and minds through a slow and tedious spreading of “democracy” by the free world.
2. Stamping out Islam the way Fascism was literally stamped out of Europe. With untold millions killed, until Islamofascism yields to the mounting genocide, and turns into a Buddhist religion of pacifists to avoid extinction.
I await a third thought.
Saskboy | 08-Nov-06 at 10:44 pm | Permalink
In a talk with a coworker today, I realized that the possibility of Iraq splitting into at least 3 different nations like how Yugoslavia broke up, is a growing possibility. It’s probably the only thing that will bring enough stability to the region for the civil war to die down enough that peacekeepers have a shot at overcoming the generations of ingrained hatred. Unfortunately, Bush’s “War of Terror” has recruited more crazy terrorists [as terrorism entrepreneurs] than Osama could have found in his lifetime.
Tim Webster | 09-Nov-06 at 5:41 am | Permalink
3) Teach Muslims there is a peacefully way to worship GOD.
Christians are required to worship GOD peacefully, to Love GOD and to love one another!!
This is why Chirst said take up your cross and follow me, because he knew that this world would reject the truth.
JimBobby | 09-Nov-06 at 7:12 am | Permalink
Whooee! TimFeller, yer sayin’ Islams oughta cast off their beliefs an’ become Christians. Sounds like the Crusades. The Crusades din’t stamp out Islam.
When all the Islams convert, d’ya figger they oughta be sorta like them Christians in Merka who outlaw gay marriage, medical research, deny evolution, deny climate change an’ elect upstandin’ fellers like Mark Foley an’ Tom Delay an’ Dick Cheney an’ George Bush?
Look up yer history, TimBoy. There’s honour-killin’s an’ stonin’s bein’ done by Christians in places like Nigeria. There’s gay-bashin’ an’ killin’s bein’ done by Merkin Christians. There’s plenty o’ blood on Christian hands.
You don’t win anybuddy over by bombin’ the crap out of ‘em. What that there Jimmy is doin’ ain’t “warmongerin’ “. It’s genocide-mongerin’. He’s talkin’ ’bout a final solution o’ killin’ all the Islams. Saskboy, yer too kind t’ the hatemongerin’ idjit.
JimBobby
Tim Webster | 09-Nov-06 at 7:48 am | Permalink
Thank JimBobby, for so clearly high lighting the problems caused by mixing religion and politics. You see the same problem happened about 2000 years ago. Many Jews leaders at the time freely used religion as a political tool. Christ clearly condems them for doing so. Christ reaches out to everyone, not asking them to follow simple rules, but to search for the truth with help of the holy spirit. People use religion as a tool for political gains as is in the case of gay marriage, stem cell research, etc, are the same people that Christ spook against 2000 yrs ago. Remember the finally temptation of Christ was to fall down before the devil and the devil would give all kindoms. Unfortunately everyone who uses religion as a political tool does exactly that.
Saskboy | 09-Nov-06 at 8:10 am | Permalink
“3) Teach Muslims there is a peacefully way to worship GOD.”
Tim, you may be able to win the hearts and minds of other Christians, but I find it highly unlikely that you, or 99.999% of Christians possess both the will and ability to peacefully convert the radical Muslims who are the problem, to a peaceful way of life. Remember, Islam is a peaceful religion that worships GOD, it just has its nasty followers, like any world religion does.
JimBobby | 09-Nov-06 at 8:20 am | Permalink
Whooee! TimmyBoy, yer ethnocentrism is showin’.
The Buddhists probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Buddha, the world’d be jest fine.
The Jews probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Yahweh, the world’d be jest fine.
The Islams probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Moe Hammett, the world’d be jest fine.
The Zoroastrians probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Zorro, the world’d be jest fine.
The Native Merkins probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Gitchy Manitou, the world’d be jest fine.
The Confucians probbly figger if everybuddy’d jest accept the ideas o’ Kung Fooshus, the world’d be jest fine.
Face it, Tim. You can’t win over the whole world t’ yer brand o’ religion. There’s more non-Christians than Christians. An’, I hate t’ break it to you, but religion an’ politics is purty much the selfsame thing. Religion is jest a way o’ politicizin’ primal fear.
JB
Tim Webster | 10-Nov-06 at 6:08 am | Permalink
You missed a few ideologies :). More to the point, a good tree bares good fruit. Every ideology and religion can be judged on this base.
Neither the bible nor any other religious book is about science and if it claims to be it is a lie. Evolution vs. Creationism is strictly a political issue and not a religious issue. In fact creations evolve to meet ever changing challenges. Lesser things are simply manufactured. Abortion is barley mentioned in the bible. In fact it is very clear that abortion does not equal killing. Gay marriage is definitely an issue that Christians can not support. Which means Christians can’t live a gay life style. I am not talking about none Christians.
Let’s get back on topic. The whole reason brought up religion is the first place is Islam requires all Muslims to support Jihads against Infidels. Islam requires the execution of Muslims renouncing their Islamic faith. In summary Islam uses violence to gain and maintain members.
Some go to heaven if they die fighting Infidels. For them heaven is conflict and war. Some go to heaven if they sacrifice themselves in love caring for others. For them heaven is love and caring.
Instead of denouncing, I challenge.
Christians today have grown up from the seeds of Christ. By the fruit of Christians today mankind judges Christianity to be the way of truth or purely religious politics as you say.
In the same way:
Muslims today have grown up from the seeds Muhammad. By the fruit of Muslims today mankind judges Muhammad to be either a Prophet or False Prophet.
Saskboy | 10-Nov-06 at 7:29 am | Permalink
Tim, the Muslims I know don’t feel or say that they think Islam should be spread through violence. You know some radical Muslims if you think that about Islam.
Tim Webster | 10-Nov-06 at 8:22 am | Permalink
Saskboy, it is also true that most of the Muslims I know don’t believe that Islam should be spread by violence.
Sura 9:73,74 -
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fire. They swear by God that they said nothing. Yet they uttered the word of unbelief and renounced Islam after embracing it. They sought to do what they could not attain. Yet they had no reason to be spiteful except perhaps because God and His apostle had enriched them through His bounty. If they repent, it will indeed be better for them, but if they give no heed, God will sternly punish them, both in this world and in the world to come. They shall have none on this earth to protect or help them.”
The Quran does not prescribe or prevent any earthly punishment.
However where Islamic law is practiced where the Quran is not clear, the Hadith, quotes attributed to Muhammad is often referred to for guidance. Many Hadiths clearly call for death.
This is part of Islam which is debated in depth. This Sword of Damocles should not be hinging over ever Muslims head.
This is why I give my challenge to all Muslims. I am sorry Saskboy, I sorry to tears. I lived with Muslims at University, I knew them quite well. I also seen the Iran overseas News Papers. The guy I lived knew the stuff in the News Papers could not be true, but he seen it so often that wondered if a little was true. These people I know are good people, just that their religion is intermixed with politics from the very beginning by Muhammad.
Saskboy | 10-Nov-06 at 8:42 am | Permalink
“These people I know are good people, just that their religion is intermixed with politics from the very beginning by Muhammad.”
And Christianity isn’t intermixed with the brutal politics from the Roman Empire? Give me a break.
Tim Webster | 10-Nov-06 at 9:14 am | Permalink
Please refer to my second comment. If that is not enough read the New Testament for yourself.
Singing Off.
Saskboy | 10-Nov-06 at 6:40 pm | Permalink
Thanks for stopping by. Hopefully we’ll be able to agree next time.
Tim Webster | 29-Nov-06 at 11:19 pm | Permalink
This is a new thread. And not part of the previous discussion.
I am using your blog, because I have not got around to creating my own. I have not been to Afghanistan, so everything I say here is merely my interpretation of the news I heard.
Last year at this time I was in Saskatoon. This year I am in Hong Kong and will be until probably February, and it is raining a lot.
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Unending rain like tears that won’t dry makes the pain hurt less.
When it rains I don’t run for shelter. It is tears from God and like my own tears it makes the pain and frustration in life hurt less. But I am not alone millions of people suffer daily simply because they are poor and they have no justice. Their police charged with maintaining order take bribes from rich criminals. They lack the an opportunity to even take care of their own family. They are required to withhold from their children, the very thing their children need for a better future.
My pain is caused, because I lacked the courage to do what I should have done. These people’s pain is not caused by their lack of courage, but by their inability to find justice. I could be talking about people from just about anywhere, but right now I am talking about people of Afghanistan. Criminals made rich from fields of drugs, bribe the police, while without a harvest children starve. Families are obligated not send their daughters to school, as a result preventing their daughters from learning skills required to take better care of their future families. Daily they live in fear, but more frustration, as violent men launch attacks. They watch as their families die and their homes are destroyed. What little they have is taken away from them. Their life is nothing but pain and frustration, in a land of criminals and violent man.
Just sharing what I see
Next time you see the rain, cry for yourself, cry for the millions who suffer a life of pain and frustration. Let the tears flow it will help the never ending pain hurt less.
Saskboy | 30-Nov-06 at 12:27 am | Permalink
It’s going to be -38 with windchill in a few hours, here Tim.
Tim Webster | 30-Nov-06 at 8:23 pm | Permalink
Ah, life in Saskatoon. :D I am not sure winter is something I miss.
Spending time in both Ottawa and Saskatoon. Ottawa seems colder, mainly because I spent a lot of time skating on the canal.
Saskboy | 30-Nov-06 at 9:21 pm | Permalink
Ottawa is colder, I’ve lived in both places too. It’s the humidity that does it.
Tim Webster | 05-Dec-06 at 8:39 pm | Permalink
Some thoughts from this thread relating to the up coming Gay Marriage Vote. Actually I really hope the Liberal Party does not force an election over Gay Marriage.
Perhaps you agree with my thoughts, perhaps you don’t. In either case feel free to share my thoughts and get others to think about the issues.
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Understanding Christian Beliefs, Gay Marriage
When you desire to take a political stand on religious issues it is
very important to understand religion. Christianity nor any other
dominate religion supports a Gay life style. Supporting Gay Marriage
is seen not only as an endorsement of the Gay life style, it is also
seen to implicitly encourage a Gay life style.
There are many problems caused by mixing religion and politics. We
only need to look around the work today to see these problem. For
example, fighting non-believers so that believers can live according
to their understanding of the commands of God, is still fighting. This
example is taken from Islam. There are many other examples today and
throughout history of where religion has been manipulate and used as
political tool. In fact this is not a new problem.
About 2000 years ago, many Jewish leaders at the time freely used
religion as a political tool. Christ clearly condemns them for doing
so. Christ reaches out to everyone, not asking them to follow simple
rules, but to search for the truth with help of the holy spirit.
People who use religion as a tool for political gains as is in the
case of gay marriage, stem cell research, etc, are the same people
that Christ spook against 2000 yrs ago. Remember the finally
temptation of Christ was to fall down before the devil and the devil
would give all kingdoms. Unfortunately everyone who uses religion as a
political tool does exactly that.
More to the point, a good tree bares good fruit. Every ideology and
religion can be judged on this base. Neither the Bible nor any other
religious book is about science and if it claims to be, it is a lie.
Evolution vs. Creationism is strictly a political issue and not a
religious issue. In fact creations evolve to meet ever changing
challenges. Lesser things are simply manufactured. Abortion is barley
mentioned in the bible. In fact it is very clear that abortion does
not equal killing. Gay Marriage is definitely an issue that Christians
can not support. Which means Christians can’t live a gay life style.
Instead of denouncing, I challenge.
Christians today have grown up from the seeds of Christ. By the fruit
of Christians today mankind judges Christianity to be the way of truth
or purely religious politics as many say.
As a Christian I can not support Gay Marriage. I can accept that there
are Gay people who wish to live together. It is natural to love and
God intended us to love one another. However for men who have the
desire for men in their flesh or women who have the desire for women
in their flesh, only when they live by the spirit of God and not the
flesh can they overcome the sinful desires of the flesh. Everyone who
wishes to follow Christ first needs to die to their sinful flesh and
be reborn into the spirit of God. As long as we are flesh there is the
desire for sin in us, but God over came the flesh. Because of God’s
grace we are no longer bond by sin, but have been saved and can live
according to God’s Holy Spirit now within us.
The Liberal Party should not support or condemn Gay Marriage. Instead
should support the freedoms is entrenched into our Canadian
Constitution.
Saskboy | 07-Dec-06 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
No worry of there being a forced election now, the motion failed.
Tim Webster | 07-Dec-06 at 9:51 pm | Permalink
I am just so glad an election was not forced on this issue.