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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7989</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I don't count on Jeb Bush being the president next term.  

George Bush has taken many liberties with "re-writing the constitution" -- yes I am willing to back up that claim if  provoked -- but the most obvious of them all would be the Patriot Act.  What's to say that he can't/won't rewrite the part that says a president can only serve a maximum of two terms?  

He has already included within the Patriot Act the clause which allows the president to suspend all elections during wartime.  Well!  They're at war.  And the way this ol' boy is goin' at it, they might well be for a long time yet!  I expect to see George W Bush leading the sheep for a good many years to come.  Meanwhile, I'm sitting back with my bucket o' popcorn and planning what remote piece of land I'll be living off of when all the nukes start going off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I don&#8217;t count on Jeb Bush being the president next term.  </p>
<p>George Bush has taken many liberties with &#8220;re-writing the constitution&#8221; &#8212; yes I am willing to back up that claim if  provoked &#8212; but the most obvious of them all would be the Patriot Act.  What&#8217;s to say that he can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t rewrite the part that says a president can only serve a maximum of two terms?  </p>
<p>He has already included within the Patriot Act the clause which allows the president to suspend all elections during wartime.  Well!  They&#8217;re at war.  And the way this ol&#8217; boy is goin&#8217; at it, they might well be for a long time yet!  I expect to see George W Bush leading the sheep for a good many years to come.  Meanwhile, I&#8217;m sitting back with my bucket o&#8217; popcorn and planning what remote piece of land I&#8217;ll be living off of when all the nukes start going off.</p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7984</link>
		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saskboy,

If I were after ropin you, you better believe you'd know it... yip yip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saskboy,</p>
<p>If I were after ropin you, you better believe you&#8217;d know it&#8230; yip yip!</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7979</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Olaf, you were just lookin' to rope me. You'll have to try harder :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Olaf, you were just lookin&#8217; to rope me. You&#8217;ll have to try harder :)</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7978</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kermode, I'm not even saying I want her to win [aside from finally having a woman President], but that's my prediction, and given past results it's most likely she will.

Krydor is convinced I don't know what I'm talking about and also/therefore don't have a point about the American system being royally broken. The 20 years of Bush/Clinton rule are (almost all) there for you to examine. Krydor, what are the odds, everyone being equal that is, for two families to rule for 20 years, in a country where there's an 8 year maximum term limit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kermode, I&#8217;m not even saying I want her to win [aside from finally having a woman President], but that&#8217;s my prediction, and given past results it&#8217;s most likely she will.</p>
<p>Krydor is convinced I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;m talking about and also/therefore don&#8217;t have a point about the American system being royally broken. The 20 years of Bush/Clinton rule are (almost all) there for you to examine. Krydor, what are the odds, everyone being equal that is, for two families to rule for 20 years, in a country where there&#8217;s an 8 year maximum term limit?</p>
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		<title>By: Olaf</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7974</link>
		<dc:creator>Olaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy am I glad my comment came off as a joke... you never know sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy am I glad my comment came off as a joke&#8230; you never know sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: KermodeBear</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7971</link>
		<dc:creator>KermodeBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62; It’s completely unacceptable for example, 
&#62; that when Hillary Clinton’s first term ends in 2012,

Assuming she wins in 2008. I'm not convinced that she will. For example, she loses in opinion polls to John McCain, and that is pretty sad. (http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm)

You can only run on the "Bush is Evil" platform for so long. Hate is a powerful emotion but it doesn't win elections. I can't come up with any significant, new ideas that she has brought to the table. This is a criticism of Barack Obama of the Democratic party as a whole:

"Unless we are open to new ideas, and not just new packaging, we won't change enough hearts and minds to initiate a serious energy or fiscal policy that calls for serious sacrifice." (http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/10/22/175546/30)

It seems to me that only the hard leftists really have any support for her, and even there is it waning (http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-30.htm) (http://www.irregulartimes.com/clintonliebermanletter.html) The people on the lest are seeing her as moving too far to the center; The people on the right see her as way too far left; The people in the center just don't trust her anymore.

Granted, she does have the benefit of the GOP not having a well known, strong contender at this point. (McCain, in my opinion, is not a strong contender, even in the conservative movement).

On a personal note, I live in New York state. This state elected her as senator. I do not know anybody who still supports her in office, even those who voted to put her there in the first place.

Part of it is her promise to create 200,000 new jobs in NY. (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/10/225623.shtml?s=ic) What has actually happened? A loss of 112,000 jobs instead. That's 312,000 off her promise. But, she just covers it up with "Oh, it is the GOP's fault!"

So, as they say back on the farm in Ohio, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; It’s completely unacceptable for example,<br />
&gt; that when Hillary Clinton’s first term ends in 2012,</p>
<p>Assuming she wins in 2008. I&#8217;m not convinced that she will. For example, she loses in opinion polls to John McCain, and that is pretty sad. (http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm)</p>
<p>You can only run on the &#8220;Bush is Evil&#8221; platform for so long. Hate is a powerful emotion but it doesn&#8217;t win elections. I can&#8217;t come up with any significant, new ideas that she has brought to the table. This is a criticism of Barack Obama of the Democratic party as a whole:</p>
<p>&#8220;Unless we are open to new ideas, and not just new packaging, we won&#8217;t change enough hearts and minds to initiate a serious energy or fiscal policy that calls for serious sacrifice.&#8221; (http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/10/22/175546/30)</p>
<p>It seems to me that only the hard leftists really have any support for her, and even there is it waning (http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-30.htm) (http://www.irregulartimes.com/clintonliebermanletter.html) The people on the lest are seeing her as moving too far to the center; The people on the right see her as way too far left; The people in the center just don&#8217;t trust her anymore.</p>
<p>Granted, she does have the benefit of the GOP not having a well known, strong contender at this point. (McCain, in my opinion, is not a strong contender, even in the conservative movement).</p>
<p>On a personal note, I live in New York state. This state elected her as senator. I do not know anybody who still supports her in office, even those who voted to put her there in the first place.</p>
<p>Part of it is her promise to create 200,000 new jobs in NY. (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/4/10/225623.shtml?s=ic) What has actually happened? A loss of 112,000 jobs instead. That&#8217;s 312,000 off her promise. But, she just covers it up with &#8220;Oh, it is the GOP&#8217;s fault!&#8221;</p>
<p>So, as they say back on the farm in Ohio, &#8220;Don&#8217;t count your chickens before they&#8217;re hatched!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Saskboy</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7967</link>
		<dc:creator>Saskboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Olaf, you crack me up", Saskboy whined. :-)

Krydor writes http://krydoristan.blogspot.com/2006/10/bush-is-teh-hitlar.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Olaf, you crack me up&#8221;, Saskboy whined. :-)</p>
<p>Krydor writes <a href="http://krydoristan.blogspot.com/2006/10/bush-is-teh-hitlar.html" rel="nofollow">http://krydoristan.blogspot.com/2006/10/bush-is-teh-hitlar.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/10/30/opendebateamerican/#comment-7964</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO @ Olaf</description>
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