John Gormley on Tuesday said that Layton doesn’t support the troops, because he doesn’t want them to fight in the Afghanistan war. This is a lot like Rider fans that are accused of being anti-Kerry Joseph when they chant for Rocky Butler the backup quarterback.
As for the Riders, problems at the quarterback position leads to the chants from the crowd for Danny Barrett to do something about the offensive production. Joseph isn’t bad overall like some QBs we’ve had over the last decade, but when you can only put up 10 points in 3.5 quarters, it’s time for a QB change, about a quarter and a half ago. There’s nothing saying he can’t come back in three plays later, according to CFL rules. But Butler hasn’t let us down this year, and when Kerry fumbles on the 5 yard line with 2 minutes to go and only gets a lucky bounce and an eager Fantuz #83 to save us, it is not a convincing performance. It’s more like a gong show on wheels - and the flat is never changed, so the show limps along all night.
Rod Pedersen hopefully noticed that B.C. had no trouble changing their quarterback, and when they did make that change on us last time, their backup Buck beat us. Giving Butler a chance to bounce B.C. isn’t admitting defeat under the leadership of Joseph, and is only a lasting blow to Kerry’s apparently fragile ego if he lets it be. The blow to his ego should come from only earning 17 points through 4 quarters plus all of overtime. Danny never changes the star quarterback unless they are injured, and it’s cost us several games over the years.
I’m not saying that we’re not “scoring enough points” in Afghanistan, but there are serious problems with some aspects of the mission, so to say that people who have alternate solutions to the political problems in that country are somehow against the military, isn’t fair. Unless Layton is making statements concerning the wellbeing of the troops, he can’t be accused of not supporting the soldiers. I’d consider calls to reduce military supplies, funding, veterans benefits, health care, or operational support as something that’s anti-troops. Putting our troops into combat without competent air support could also be considered anti-troops.
[I am only defending Layton on this issue because I haven't heard him say anything anti-military. I don't agree with his position that we can negotiate with the Taliban, but he's welcome to take his party to the grave. Gormley could criticize Layton for being out of touch with reality, but to use the tired attack of "you don't support the troops" is lame and wrong.]
A call to bring our soldiers out of harm’s way where they are [possibly] not being used in an effective or necessary way, is not anti-troop, it’s anti-war and pro-troops. You wouldn’t say generals in World War I were “pro-troops” when they ordered them over the top onto enemy machine gun fire. Sending soldiers to certain doom with no winnable outcome is decidedly anti-troops. If Bill Clinton and Gwyn Dyer for instance are right and we aren’t putting enough troops in Afghanistan to actually win, then perhaps we are committing our soldiers to a violent and dangerous task when there is no hope of them reaching the goal of a peaceful Afghanistan governed by a democratic government that respects human rights.
Please everyone: Stop saying people don’t support the troops if they aren’t glad that soldiers are dying overseas. According to Harper we can improve our International reputation by getting bloodied up like the other countries in the war on terror. That’s gotta be bad for troop morale, to hear exactly how highly he values their life and wellbeing. Their deaths make him more chummy with Bush because he’s getting Canada to “chip in”.

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Larry | 28-Sep-06 at 9:34 am | Permalink
The same kind of comments were made by the CCF prior to WWII, they don’t change. To quote an old saying, you can die on your feet or live on your knees. I think it is about time you stood up and dusted off your pants.
Saskboy | 28-Sep-06 at 9:58 am | Permalink
Larry, today’s earthly population is made up of people who had ancestors that knew the right times to die on their feet, and when to live on their knees. I wouldn’t be so sure that the Afghanistan War is as crucial to world peace as World War II was. And I certainly wouldn’t depict our participation in Afghanistan as living on our knees, since I do support providing security there, so long as certain objectives are set by Parliament.
billg | 28-Sep-06 at 10:18 am | Permalink
I think most people understand about troop support and non-support for the mission, but, you have to go on to some CF members blogs to fully understand that what disheartens soldiers most is Laytons crap after a soldiers death. They want to be there, they want to stay there, they want to finish what they started, I dont think anyone objects to a debate on the merits of Afghanastan, but, to see Layton in front of microphones the day after a suicide bombing of the Canadian Military spouting his “I told you so” rhetoric, can, as in a soldiers words, be very disheartening. We are there at the request of the two major political party’s in Canada, it just gets a little sickening to see a fringe party and a fringe leader try to win votes the day after the tragic death of a soldier. I dont care who wins the next election…but I really hope Candians hold Jack and the NDP accountable and reduce them to 10 or 11 seats.
JDot | 28-Sep-06 at 10:34 am | Permalink
My friend from Kindergarden just got back from Afghanistan his exact words “Taliban Jack is a fu#$@ing scumbag. But like he says “what do soliders know”.
Saskboy | 28-Sep-06 at 10:48 am | Permalink
Kindergardeners really shouldn’t be using language like that, or fighting in Afghanistan. Yes, I’m pulling your leg.
My Blahg » MIXED MESSAGES | 28-Sep-06 at 11:53 am | Permalink
[...] But rightwing blowhard John Gormley says that Jack Layton doesn’t support the troops because he doesn’t support the war in Afghanistan. [...]
Soulfood | 28-Sep-06 at 12:41 pm | Permalink
So, everyone has commented on the Support the Troops part of your post, I’m commenting on the Riders part of your post.
I’ve heard it said that Danny is a “player’s coach.” He’ll support his players as individuals, even if it hurts the team. That’s what he’s doing when he leaves in a crappy quarterback. Personally, I’m not a huge fan of Kerry Joseph. I just don’t think he wants it enough to actually try to improve. Butler does, and he should get the starting position a bit more often.
Saskboy | 28-Sep-06 at 12:56 pm | Permalink
Exactly Soulfood. Danny is Harper, he’ll continue to use the wrong tactics, and refuse to make corrections just on the possibility that grown men will feel slighted/undermined by being told to sit out a round while the coach regroups with a new tactic. Yes players and soldiers are people, but they are supposed to be professionals, and thus realize that they are not the boss of the situation they’re working for. When players and soldiers start dictating what to do to the coaches and politicians, that’s when you have serious breakdowns in the team and government.
DazzlinDino | 28-Sep-06 at 6:55 pm | Permalink
Hey, it could be worse…..for instance I was AT THE GAME last week here in Edmonton…..you could be an Eskies fan……
Zaphod2016 | 29-Sep-06 at 1:25 am | Permalink
As far as I’m concerned, this is an easy debate:
If you support the war effort, go join it.
If you are “supporting the war” from the comfort of a civilian’s life; you ought be ashamed of yourself.
P.S. the above does not apply to those unable to serve, or those who have already served.
P.P.S. “I don’t feel like it” and “I have other comittments” are not valid excuses. Especially if you believe this is WWIII.