Comments on: Far and Wide: McKay Makes No Sense http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/ News, Insights, and Humour Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:09:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3261 Saskboy Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:07:12 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3261 There are greater political forces at work than just some yahoos in Hezbollah that want to blow things up [Jews in particular]. The long term solution may not be to have a cease fire during tense times like these, but neither is getting everything blown up. It's not exactly working in Iraq, and it won't work in Lebanon. I think the solution is to get the countries making the weapons to stop sending them to places that should be disarmed. There are greater political forces at work than just some yahoos in Hezbollah that want to blow things up [Jews in particular]. The long term solution may not be to have a cease fire during tense times like these, but neither is getting everything blown up. It’s not exactly working in Iraq, and it won’t work in Lebanon. I think the solution is to get the countries making the weapons to stop sending them to places that should be disarmed.

]]> By: Krydor http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3256 Krydor Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:01:56 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3256 Ah, your last paragraph speaks volumes. Never has Hezbollah honoured a cease-fire. In each and every instance, they use such events to re-arm and attack. That's the essence of the problem with the status quo. Ah, your last paragraph speaks volumes. Never has Hezbollah honoured a cease-fire. In each and every instance, they use such events to re-arm and attack. That’s the essence of the problem with the status quo.

]]> By: Saskboy http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3200 Saskboy Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:29:38 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3200 Granted I don't know every turning point in the modern history of Lebanon or the Middle East, but aside from the killings done by Hezbollah, the status quo is essentially an Israeli victory. You wouldn't say Al Qaida is "victorious" over the USA if they stop their terrorist offensive/resistance in Iraq, we'd go back to the status quo of the USA being forever victorious, and the terrorists and Middle East in a murderous shambles. There are two goals to war - to gain resources/power or destroy the enemy's people/resources so they are at a disadvantage. Hezbollah will gain no land if the fighting stops today, that is certain. What power will they have gained? If anything, International forces will control southern Lebanon, essentially removing influence from Hezbollah. That is a clear victory for both Israel and the world. Perhaps McKay is using clever manipulation to make it seem as if an end to the immediate shelling from both sides would be a bad thing for peace. It seems to me he has another goal in mind than stopping the destruction today. Beware a man who would have war today for a 'more lasting peace tomorrow'. Neither side is starving, or desperately needs the land they are trying to conquor, so I think it's obvious that this is simply men with too many guns going to war for the sake of power. That's the worst kind of war, and there is no obvious instigator. Granted I don’t know every turning point in the modern history of Lebanon or the Middle East, but aside from the killings done by Hezbollah, the status quo is essentially an Israeli victory. You wouldn’t say Al Qaida is “victorious” over the USA if they stop their terrorist offensive/resistance in Iraq, we’d go back to the status quo of the USA being forever victorious, and the terrorists and Middle East in a murderous shambles.

There are two goals to war - to gain resources/power or destroy the enemy’s people/resources so they are at a disadvantage. Hezbollah will gain no land if the fighting stops today, that is certain. What power will they have gained? If anything, International forces will control southern Lebanon, essentially removing influence from Hezbollah. That is a clear victory for both Israel and the world.

Perhaps McKay is using clever manipulation to make it seem as if an end to the immediate shelling from both sides would be a bad thing for peace. It seems to me he has another goal in mind than stopping the destruction today. Beware a man who would have war today for a ‘more lasting peace tomorrow’. Neither side is starving, or desperately needs the land they are trying to conquor, so I think it’s obvious that this is simply men with too many guns going to war for the sake of power. That’s the worst kind of war, and there is no obvious instigator.

]]> By: Krydor http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3164 Krydor Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:14:28 +0000 http://www.abandonedstuff.com/2006/07/24/far-and-wide-mckay-makes-no-sense/#comment-3164 Hmmm, how to write this without seeming rude. The status quo is Hezbollah running across the border and killing Israeli civillians. That began not long (oh, sweet irony) after the IDF left Southern Lebanon. Hezbollah has a country, it's call "Lebanon". They are funded by Iran and logistically supported by Syria. There is a long history lesson here, saskboy. I'm not sure if I'm up to teaching it. While I haven't had what ends up as a fruitless discussion with you on this topic, I've had plenty. Methinks a multipart post is in order. Mayhaps I'll need a huge post? Hmmm, how to write this without seeming rude.

The status quo is Hezbollah running across the border and killing Israeli civillians. That began not long (oh, sweet irony) after the IDF left Southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah has a country, it’s call “Lebanon”. They are funded by Iran and logistically supported by Syria.

There is a long history lesson here, saskboy. I’m not sure if I’m up to teaching it. While I haven’t had what ends up as a fruitless discussion with you on this topic, I’ve had plenty.

Methinks a multipart post is in order.
Mayhaps I’ll need a huge post?

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